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Session 307

Dr. Lee Burnett founded Student Physician Network or SDN to connect students. Little did he know how big it would get, and how negative the cyberspace would turn. He'due south hoping to alter that.

I've been doing this podcast for 6 years now. I actually started this podcast dorsum in 2012 later I realized that at that place wasn't good enough positive information out there. Particularly, SDN had a ton of negative data. And I talked a lot about that site. In fact, I have actively discouraged students from using that site.

Previously, I reached out to them and met with the founder, every bit well as the people running it day in and day out. I initially didn't go any positive reception from them. Until recently, Lee reached out to me and expressed his interest in collaborating with me in some way to figure out how we can move things forward.

I was very happy hearing from him considering how SDN is a very big site and students are finding information technology and using it. While I'1000 but a small piece in this premed puzzle and I can't shepherd everybody away from SDN. Only if we can work together and make SDN a better place for yous, then I'm all for it.

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[04:25] Lee'south Involvement in Becoming a Physician

Lee recalls being told past his mom when he was in high schoolhouse back in the 80s to selection a profession he wanted. And being a doctor was what appealed to him. His dad worked for the State of California while his mom worked for a nonprofit organization. And both ended upwards working together to help promote family medicine in California. And then it was natural for him as he got to see the doctors his parents were working with who were all residency programme directors.

Following college, he went into an osteopathic medical school in California. After he graduated, he did a year of Practice plan, specifically unopposed residency program in internal medicine and surgery. Then he finished the adjacent two years in family medicine at UC Irvine. By unopposed, it means there are no other residency programs that are competing for patients at whatever facility you're at. And so the whole clinic or facility is only for a specific residency program. Hence, he got to come across everything, which something he recommends to students as he might not accept had the same opportunity from other programs otherwise. Aside from such program, UC Irvine besides had a local customs hospital, which they got to practise rotations at every bit well as in UC-Irvine in Orange, CA.

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[09:08] Location as a Deciding Factor and an F in Genetics

Born and raised in California, Lee wanted to stay there. He went to UC Davis for undergrad, had a adept Science GPA, but got some really bad advice. In fact, information technology was what led him downward the route to eventually create Student Doctor Network.

At that time, he was struggling with Genetics and decided to drop out of the class and so he got an F. The advice he got from other people was non to worry about an F as they're going to driblet it from the GPA calculation and could just retake it and get an A and everything is going to exist fine. Of course, that was a terrible advice.

Then his GPA and MCAT scores were pretty good but not good enough to become into a UC program. Consequently, he got advice to look to DO schools. He wasn't aware of it and so he tried to research it. But empathise this was before the cyberspace days then at that place wasn't much data out in that location. He went to the schoolhouse and took a look at information technology and idea it was legit with a solid cadre program. He besides saw that their graduates had very skillful residency slots. Hence, he went with such schoolhouse, especially knowing he would stay in CA and had a expert primary care program.

[12:xv] Osteopathic Manipulative Technique (OMT) in Practice

Lee admits to not doing OMT in his do. He thinks it's bang-up but it's something you have to practise constantly.

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When he went into his own practice dorsum in 2000, he just didn't put the endeavour into continuing to maintain the skill. And it was something he actually regrets. He currently works total-time with the army. When he was working with pilots, they didn't want to take whatsoever medication otherwise it grounds them so they really want osteopathic manipulation equally they could feel good without taking any medicine. So a good Do who keeps on top of their OMT schools can really practise absolute magic.

[13:45] Getting Into the Military and Watching the Saddam Trial

Back during his residency in Downey as an intern, he considered himself dirt poor and buried in student loans and car payment. He was having a hard fourth dimension making ends meet. Then he got recruited and in return, he had to give a sure number of years back once graduating from residency. While in residency, you don't have to serve any time at all. To him, this sounded like a pretty good deal. He got to serve the military while getting some financial help which he desperately needed. So he got money for the next 3 years of his residency. And when he graduated in 2000, he owed ii years in the reserves for every one yr he took a paycheck from the regular army, vi years in full.

After nine/xi, everything in the war machine just completely changed. The reserves had a large chunk of army's medical capability so physicians were beingness deployed on a fairly routine ground. Instead of getting deployed in Iraq, they concluded upwards sitting at Fort Lewis, WA. Post-obit that, he went back to his practice in CA. He and then decided to terminate his half-dozen years until he got called up again in 2005 for a routine rotation and served at a gainsay hospital in Iraq for four months. Plus, he got to lookout the Saddam trial and being the dr. in that location in case something happened. Because of this, he considered staying in the ground forces for longer. And ultimately, it was something he wanted and decided to do it total-fourth dimension, being able to make a huge difference serving the country taking care of soldiers and their families versus treating patients back dwelling house. Then in 2009, he went full-time with the Army Reserves in North Carolina and in 2011, an active component and ultimately volunteered in the Air Forcefulness infantry sectionalisation for two years. Then he spent a year in Kansas and four years in Korea. Now, he's in Fort Brooke, Louisiana serving at a combat back up hospital.

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[23:10] From a Need for Money to Finding His Calling in Life

What Lee appreciates as a medico is it's a single healthcare arrangement. Having to bargain with different insurers, you tin can't order some of the tests y'all had to order, it could be frustrating. Not to mention all the amount of paperwork and effort, it would just beat your soul. And he felt it got worse and worse every year he was in private practise.

Merely being in the armed services work with a single healthcare organization, y'all tin order what yous need to club and get the medications you need to get. And Lee finds this to be very refreshing.

[24:24] The Impetus for Student Doctor Network

Back in 1993 as Lee started medical school, there were 17 osteopathic medical schools across the state. And they had no thought what issues these schools had. As he and his friend met people at conferences and other events, they decided to publish a newspaper, The Osteopathic Pulse in 1994. It had articles from each of the different osteopathic schools in the state and they distributed it for complimentary to all the schools. Basically, it reached the offset and 2nd-year students since the third and fourth-yr people were on rotation.

By 1996, they figured out how the internet worked and all those stuff. He learned how to do HTML programming and took all the manufactures from the paper and put them into the cyberspace so the third and quaternary-yr people could see information technology online.

They besides had a chatroom and a forum dorsum in 1997-1998, where everytime you lot updated a folio, information technology created a new page in and of itself. And so there wasn't whatever database. And everything simply evolved from there.

By 1997 equally he was graduating from medical school, they weren't doing the newspaper anymore only he continued developing stuff on the cyberspace. They sought to create quality content near other schools and interesting stuff. At that time, in that location were only 2-3 websites for medical students and dental students, whom he got together with online. They decided to create one affair for everybody, hence, they created the Student Doctor Network.

They weren't that focused on the forum, simply on everything else like how to get into medical school or dental schoolhouse, articles, etc. And so the forum was just an afterthought. But over time, in 2001-2002, the forum just got bigger and bigger (now with over 3,000 members), that people would now equate SDN to forums and not the other components of the site.

[Tweet ""It was the one place where people could go and become communication or exercise peer-to-peer support. It was a lot of fun. It was a meek community. And over the years, it just got bigger and bigger." https://medicalschoolhq.net/pmy-307-moving-forrard-with-pupil-doctor-network-and-its-founder/"]

As Lee mentioned earlier, this was built-in out of a crappy advice he got from other friends and over time, that kind of drove what they were doing in making certain they had practiced, reliable information, forth with peer support through the forums.

[30:xxx] The Evolution of SDN

Lee describes how the internet has dramatically inverse over the last 20 years. In the early days, they would just take xl up to 200 people in the forum. It was quite slow. But it has changed the dynamics of how people relate to each other on the net. Back in the days, people weren't as jaded as they are now. Information technology was a very positive customs. But it has changed a lot over the years.

As to when he noticed this alter from existence collaborative to more of the trolling and heated flame wars, Lee would describe it like a boiling frog syndrome, where you just kind of sit at that place and non notice it. The culture changed gradually. It wasn't similar an overnight thing. Just he didn't see it until effectually 2008-2009. And he wasn't quite sure whether information technology was related to the economy, generation shift, etc.

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Additionally, he noticed that more people came on the cyberspace and things became even more than anonymous. People had the anonymity of the keyboard and gotten into bad places where they wouldn't have gone had they non had that same level of anonymity.

At that time, SDN had old rules where that if users don't want to be moderated, they'd merely go out them alone. And if something really gets out of hand and they'll go in there. But usually, the forums would take intendance of themselves. And it worked pretty well. Then over again back in 2008-2010, they began to see a shift where self-regulation wasn't happening as much anymore. And for some reason, people were no longer using the "study the post" button equally much as Lee would have wanted. And then in a way, it was like people just expected that behavior and tolerated it. And Lee admits he'due south sad to run across where they are as a whole as a nation and beyond the internet globally that they are having all this negative discourse so frequently in public forums. Shortly, at SDN, they had changed their moderation over the by few years, from being hands off to really keeping a shut eye on what people are saying. They've begun beingness aggressive in getting in and removing people who were being negative, trolling, etc. And then they had to change the fashion they chastened.

[Tweet ""Information technology's sad to come across where we are, as a whole, as a nation, or across the internet globally that nosotros have such a negative discourse so oftentimes in public forums." https://medicalschoolhq.net/pmy-307-moving-forwards-with-student-doctor-network-and-its-founder/"]

Lee saddened past all the negativity right now but if they actually wanted to provide free data to students and take a place for them to back up each other, then they knew they wanted to provide that protective environment.

[36:25] A Little Back Story of How MSHQ Began

I started the Medical School Headquarters in 2012 for the reason Lee started SDN because of poor premed advising but too because SDN back then was the negative place for data. So when I started it, my goal was if I could take one person who goes on SDN and reads something or asks a question and gets answers back and think they can never become a physician and discouraged, I want to put out information to show them that they can no matter what, although it's non going to be that easy and it may take longer.

So what has now get my life's work was a result of the downturn of the forums in SDN and all the negativity that was around. And then I'm thankful for SDN as I wouldn't accept been hither if non for that loose moderation. It's funny how all this have come full circumvolve.

Lee adds that other forums have popped upwardly over the next few years and branched out because they felt SDN was negative. To some degree, things were negative back in 2010. Past taking SDN on a balance, Lee would beg to disagree that generally, the information was very positive and people were very supportive.

He goes on to say that Reddit even has an interesting mode of having this bias forum based on up and downwardly votes, which SDN doesn't have to prevent whatsoever bias. But human nature is that yous're going to lock on to those one or 2 negative posts out of the twenty positive ones. Only they've been working with individuals who would give true communication in a manner that doesn't beat a soul and they've been doing this for the past couple of years.

[41:30] A Soul Crushing Instance

I of my favorite threads on SDN was from a student I did some mock interviews with. The student got kicked out of his undergrad 20 years ago and finally realized he wanted to be a md. After he got his acceptance to an allopathic medical school, he went to SDN for some reason and presented his stats and asked what he would do. The response would be that he'd have slim to none run a risk. But one response he got who was supposedly a faculty fellow member, advised him not to go through this career path. So this was like the core of what SDN used to be.

So I raised the question to Lee whether this kind of reply would now exist moderated. He explains that if the statement was honest and reasonable, then it would stay up. But if someone was trying to be a jerk and trying to beat out somebody's soul, then this would not exist tolerated. Hence, it's a case by case basis.

[44:00] Osteopathic Bashing

Every bit an osteopath himself, Lee thinks that the bashing going on right now against osteopaths is because of insecurity. And people tin get really fired upwardly, even going back to the early on days of SDN, that he fifty-fifty had to post telling them that regardless of them picking MD or Do, it actually doesn't thing. But do whatever is right for you. We don't need to have these MD vs DO discussions. They don't provide any value. Lee says he never had a trouble every bit a Practise since graduating in residency. And so he couldn't really figure out why people have this kind of discussion at all.

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[47:05] The Future of SDN and How You lot Should Utilize the Forums

Lee reiterated that SDN was created to provide proficient quality information and to help students as they go through their journeying from high schoolhouse all the way to residency. It's a nonprofit organization so they're not getting any money from it. Only they want to remain true to their mission of providing good quality content to help students brand skillful decisions.

And so Lee reached out to me about a month agone in the hope of existence able to piece of work together, along with other organizations that provide good quality and free data to students.

Lee recommends to students trying to dip their toes into the SDN site, is that commencement, be open up to what people are saying. Simply on the flip side, if somebody says something you don't concur with, merely ignore them and drive on.

2d, if you lot meet something you think is inappropriate or condescending or just not a part of a community you don't want to be a part of, then press that Report Postal service button. That way, the moderators can become in there and take care of it. They take virtually 60 moderators and in that location are millions of posts, so they tin't expect over every single post everyday. So they're relying on their community to give them a heads upwardly when in that location's something inappropriate.

[Tweet ""Take everything with a grain of salt and don't appoint with somebody and try to have a flame war. Simply respectfully disagree. And if you see somebody existence an absolute jerk, please report them and then our moderators can get in there and take intendance of that." https://medicalschoolhq.net/pmy-307-moving-forward-with-student-doctor-network-and-its-founder/"]

[51:00] More than SDN Projects to Check Out!

Lee says that although the forums are the biggest part of the site now, his passion is really in creating all these other gratuitous areas such as the StudySchedule, that gives you free and customized report programme. Another is the Scutwork, where people get to postal service reviews of the dissimilar residency programs. Review2.com is another project where they've taken reviews from Yelp, Google, and their own database. And so if yous take the MCAT, PCAT, or DAT, simply pick up which exam to take, which center, country, metropolis, and it will prove you a compiled report of all the different reviews from previous test-takers. This way, people can make a decision whether they want to accept that examination in that detail centre or not.

Interview Feedback is another i of the cardinal components of the SDN site where students provide feedback on their interviews and school experiences to help other students.

LizzyM Score Calculator is a tool where yous enter your numbers and it will generate which schools are in the zone yous select. Then you're provided with a list of schools you can wait at.

Medical Specialty Selector is another tool that provides helps students find a residency lucifer based on their interests, abilities, and personality.

The SDN Experts tab volition allow you post any question and their experts volition respond. At that place's besides the Application Cost Calculator that gives does the calculation of what you might be spending and how much you need to budget for your medical school interviews.

[56:00] About the LizzyM Score

I believe there's a huge pushback against things like LizzyM considering information technology's taking the "holistic" view out of the admissions process from a premed's perspective. And the premed is told that data just based on stats. And the schools that may be a great fit for the pupil aren't getting to see that student's application considering LizzyM said the student didn't take a chance there.

Lee thinks this is a valid signal. Even so, he adds that as long as medical schools go along to utilise systems that automatically screen people based on GPA and MCAT score, so LizzyM score is going to continue to be pretty valid. This is based on years of prove. Only that being said, Lee insists people should do what they want to do. It'due south just an option they provide if y'all don't have a lot of money and you tin can't spread yourself across every unmarried schoolhouse application. And so here's where you lot're going to be best targeting. So this is what information technology's best used for.

[Tweet ""People should do what they want to do. This is not the AAMC telling somebody this is where y'all need to utilise." https://medicalschoolhq.net/pmy-307-moving-forward-with-pupil-doctor-network-and-its-founder/"]

[58:25] Final Words of Wisdom

Lee welcomes everyone to utilise the site. As a nonprofit organization, they're completely free. It's entirely supported by the ads you come across on the site. Whether they have the forums or not, Lee says they're at that place to aid students accomplish their dreams. Don't become wrapped around the axle based on one or ii posts that you lot see on an anonymous forum. Take it every bit a whole.

[Tweet ""Look at all the other resource that we offer and understand where you fit in that bigger picture." https://medicalschoolhq.net/pmy-307-moving-frontwards-with-student-physician-network-and-its-founder/"]

Links:

MedEd Media Network

Student Doctor Network

StudySchedule

Scutwork

Review2.com

Interview Feedback

LizzyM Score Computer

Medical Specialty Selector

SDN Experts

Application Cost Computer

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